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Episode 14: Barbara Tran raises the temperature
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Episode 14: Barbara Tran raises the temperature

"Fever protects the way madness does"

The river Ocean was said to enclose the world in a perfect circle, yet no one had ever seen it. Herodotus grumbled: “The name Ocean was, I suppose, invented by some ancient poet or other, and inserted into his poetry.”

In Episode 14 of Multi-Verse, Barbara Tran and I discuss how water encircles her poem “Loon Song.” Tran’s river Ocean is not inserted but rising around the poet; feverish, Tran envisions herself adrift on the raft of her bed, her feet dangling as if dropping off the far edge of a flat earth. She envisions a loon stuck in a too-small pond. She isn’t sure, in this state, if she’s fit to map her surroundings.

“My feet,” Tran writes,

are an illusion the way a wet

parking lot can appear as a lake
to a loon
in flight …

Tran asks us: What’s madness? Why shouldn’t a loon be confused? How can we not be mad, once we’ve seen how geography can be bent into a cage?


Barbara Tran’s debut poetry collection is Precedented Parroting (Palimpsest Press, 2024).


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Welcome to Multi-Verse, a podcast that offers a listening space for poems usually confined to the page. With host Evangeline Riddiford Graham, poets read and discuss their writing—and unwind the multitude of meanings contained in every verse.